Curse

Crom The Pale · Feb 10, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by No One Famous

I think he means he was in the Frenzy stance against a mesmer, not a mesmer using the skill Frenzy.

Bingo, sorry my post wasn't perfectly clear.

Clarissa F · Feb 11, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

[skill]soldier's speed[/skill] an option? I get 15 seconds of IAS at 10 tactics when carrying FGJ and Watch Yourself. I can deal with the 5 sec window, and need no cancel stance.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 11, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarissa F

[skill]soldier's speed[/skill] an option? I get 15 seconds of IAS at 10 tactics when carrying FGJ and Watch Yourself. I can deal with the 5 sec window, and need no cancel stance.

Soldier's Speed is a run buff, not an attack speed buff.

Rush >>>> Soldier's Speed any day of the week

The comparable IAS is [skill=text]soldier's stance[/skill]
One look at it, and I don't even need to tell you why it's terribaed.

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Feb 11, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

micro prot spirit on a hero.

Crom The Pale · Feb 11, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

[skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill] I have yet to figure what the Dev's were thinking when they came up with this and Soldiers Stance at the same time...

Same skill with better rechare/duration with 0 points in it...

The only real downside to either of these is the fact that they are elite. While there are some builds that work with no dmg elite skill, they tend to be weaker than those with one and are just "fun" builds rather than practical ones.

While any IAS is better than no IAS some just do not work under most conditions and others work in almost any condition.

For PvE I would rank them as follows.
[skill]Flail[/skill]
[skill]Tiger Stance[/skill]
[skill]Frenzy[/skill]
[skill]Berserker Stance[/skill]
[skill]Flurry[/skill]
[skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill]
[skill]Soldier's Stance[/skill]

Just my personal oppinion based on the builds I use.

Arath.inc · Feb 11, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

I don't use frenzy. Either i use tiger stance or flail, mostly tiger stance though.

Though frenzy works good if you got some dmg reduction to cover for the extra dmg you receive, you can also use a hp regeneration spell, or a block/dodge skill.

Feurin Longcastle · Feb 12, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

I find Flail and Enraging Charge to be superior to Frenzy+cancel stance in HM. EC charges Flail as well as serving as its cancel stance, and most enemies don't kite for the speed penalty to really matter. That and no instantly dropping from some of the harder hitting enemies.

I bring "You Move Like A Dwarf!" to off-set what little kiting I experience.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 12, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

i have been running tiger stance as well.

Legends · Feb 13, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

[skill]Frenzy[/skill] & [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] are your best friends.

Yet, [skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill] is the best damn IAS skill out there.

Marverick · Feb 13, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

[skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill] I have yet to figure what the Dev's were thinking when they came up with this and Soldiers Stance at the same time...

Same skill with better rechare/duration with 0 points in it...

Soldier's Fury takes one second to cast, which means that every ten seconds you spend an additional 1.75 seconds casting it, and thus not attacking.

Soldier's Stance is instant activation and the shout isn't hard to achieve.

...but both suck for Warriors.

Yichi · Feb 13, 2008, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legends

Yet, [skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill] is the best damn IAS skill out there.

On topic: No, it's not.

Crom The Pale · Feb 13, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Soldier's Fury takes one second to cast, which means that every ten seconds you spend an additional 1.75 seconds casting it, and thus not attacking.

Soldier's Stance is instant activation and the shout isn't hard to achieve.

...but both suck for Warriors.

The differnce is one is a stance that requires 13+ points in tactics to maintain and can be easily removed while the other is an echo once applied is there for its duration. The time it takes to activate is imaterial to the benifits it gives.

While both are bad for a war the paragon skill is far far superior. Note that on a Paragon this IAS will last for 30sec with a normal Leadership attribute alotment.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 13, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

While both are bad for a war the paragon skill is far far superior. Note that on a Paragon this IAS will last for 30sec with a normal Leadership attribute alotment.

Paragons don't need it.
They have Aggressive Refrain which lasts indefinately.

And I'd definately rather use Stance than Fury... taking ~2 seconds out to cast my IAS every 10 seconds is really hurting your pressure.

Age · Feb 13, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

I use frenzy in certain areas where it is safe to do so and I alway make sure I have sprint along.I find it a little but more usefull than flail.

bigtime102 · Feb 16, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Pumpkin Pie

/thread

You can't see me · Feb 17, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Honestly, I prefer flail in PvE. I don't have to click it as often, and I hardly feel the difference otherwise, since most mobs are fairly tight unless you fail and they're running back and attacking your casters, who in turn kite, making you run more because the rest of your frontline isn't doing their job. But when it comes to when to and when not to use Frenzy, it's another reason I prefer flail, as it's far more flexible and you can use with mobs with very high DPS. Even with Prot Spirit, you're still taking 60 damage per hit with some of the higher leveled casters, and those 60's add up when you're fighting a large mob. (Unless you're using a Sup Rune and you only have 450-500 health.)

Frenzy is safe, though, don't use it if you're not experienced with its effects and what they do when used at the wrong time.

Draginvry · Feb 18, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by bigtime102

Pumpkin Pie

While this is good for bar compression, it is terrible on your cash to be buying pies for every mission. Unless the OP has some large stockpile I'm unaware of.

ShadowsRequiem · Feb 18, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Pvers+frenzy = Bad idea

Most should stick with flail :P

I remember trying to explain what a cancel stance was to someone in a group -.-

Targuil · Feb 18, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Use flail and don't fail.

RhanoctJocosa · Feb 18, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Frenzy is fine and all, but if you're actually doing something difficult I don't see why you wouldn't go Flail or Essence/Drunken.